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Rob Shepherd says...
"The downside of free speech."
As Trevor Noah said on the View the other day, "Freedom of speech means you can say what you want without the government coming after you. It's not going to stop someone punching you in the face"


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Visual guide and technical information to tower block blaze.....

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-40301289

I find the contrast in reaction between three terrorist incidents in as many months and this latest 'incident' quite revealing...

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Si Wooldridge says...
"I find the contrast in reaction between three terrorist incidents in as many months and this latest 'incident' quite revealing.."
Terrorist incidents could happen to anyone who lives in a city, we are all equally in danger, all potentially a victim, very hard to remove all chance of one happening?

Tower block fire happens to the poor, and completely avoidable?

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Not quite:

https://twitter.com/ajcdeane/status/876146983295217667

https://twitter.com/samuelcoates/status/876127797038723077

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This item was edited on Saturday, 17th June 2017, 22:30

Pretty sure Corbyn used the terrorist attacks to bash the government on cutting police numbers, so I don't see muc of a contrast from a political POV.

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Well we didn't see Momentum inspired protests against lack of action against terrorists...

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Over the years in building services I see new  innovative designs  safe ways to evacuate a high rise building in lectures, sales talks,  and construction magazines, but cost is the limiting factor, and they never see the light of day, as life (or death) is still cheaper than including these designs.

First of all Compartmentalization is always the cheapest solution to large  buildings, as it is passive and does not take up any extra room, it zones the building into seperate areas, and as long as the structure is not compromised with modifications (like adding false ceilings, etc) or misuse (like jambing fire doors open, etc) it does hold back fire and smoke, for a specific time period from 1 hour up to 3 hours.

One of the main factors to come out with this fire, is that staying in the building waiting for the fire brigade, is not a good option, and better (in my opinion) to flee the building ASAP. (thats what I would do).

As for these new designs, which never get through, here are a few....

Fixed 'Fireproof Lifeboats' on the roof with fire proof cables, to be lowered by gravity drop.

Spare internal lift shaft converted into a sock drop. This consists of a number of levels that have a number of large socks which a person drops down through to  the next level like a vertical slide (friction slows the person down) This also can be designed into a new building taking up just the space of a lift shaft. As long as no-one slows the slide down, this is a fast means of escape.

There have been many other new designs but as said, cost is the prohibitive factor, though if we considered safety first as a priority, a fast alternative way out should be designed into new high buildings.

This item was edited on Sunday, 18th June 2017, 09:57

You can't tell me this is not political. Sure we have the opportunistic and disenfranchised jumping at the chance to give the government a kicking, but had this happened 10 years ago, when Brown-bot was in charge and not May-bot the response to the government would have been the same. And Sadiq Khan had to face ire and rage this week, so it's less a partisan thing than it is global.

But this is a political powerkeg that has existed for decades, ever since the original ethos of high-rise and communal living was lost, and those estates just became a dumping ground for the working class, the immigrants, the poor and the forgotten in society. It's the same politics of inequality, greed, poverty and gentrification that it has always been. Don't tell me cladding is for residents. It's for the toffs who want a posey to camouflage the stench of the hoi-polloi.

Of course there is going to be a reaction against the government, because they are in charge and this happened on their watch. Jeremy Corbyn might think he's in charge, but it is still Theresa May who will bear the brunt. But there certainly are political issues to brought up against Kensington Council, who are responsible for fire safety in their properties, and who are responsible for the 'beautification' programme. By all accounts their response to the fire, caring for the residents needs has been practically non-existent to the point that the government are taking over that aspect now.

I don't think we should be surprised at Theresa May's personal response given her election campaign. It's clear that she can't engage with the public unless it's stage managed, scripted, and remains on message. But it is an open goal to criticise.

By far the most ominous and contentious aspect of this whole thing has been the 'bad news' management, the refusal by the authorities to release an estimate on the number of missing. It's almost a week since the fire, head counts must have been done, hospital numbers checked, and tallies of people looking for loved ones taken, and correlated, but the authorities will only give a running count of confirmed fatalities, with the caveat that there are more to come. It's obvious enough for me to see its manipulative intent, a drip feed of bad news that seems a vain attempt to act as a pressure valve.

I say vain, because we have already seen Kensington Town Hall occupied by angry residents once this week. This reminds me of the death of Mark Duggan and the riots that ensued. The political temperature is already at boiling, while this summer seems to be heading to another record breaker. You have Brexit, you have services at breaking point, you've just had a general election that has arguably made things worse in the country, satisfying no-one. It'll just take one more incident to push things over the edge. Then I see Phillip Hammond on Andrew Marr hemming and hawing about sprinklers in tower blocks, giving the usual response about waiting for the results of the public enquiry. That's being totally out of touch with public sentiment. Sometimes it's cheaper to buy the peace of mind of your citizens that to deal with the consequences of inaction.



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Deaths now stand at 79 as tonights news.