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Although i do look at conspiracies with an open mind and without blinkers on, I do find this one hard to believe.
Though i also find hanging onto a round ball of dirt, moving at a crazy speed through the universe without us noticing even the slightest feeling of speed, just seems nuts. But hey being in a moving car is similar, its the acceleration that gets you, not speed.
The one lot that can prove it all physically, is NASA, by getting up there and giving us real photos, but I do not believe anything that they show or do. There is no way I can prove it, unless I can get up there in my own spaceship. Not going to happen soon.
The flat earthers proof is interesting with them stating that the Antarctic is not an Island Continent, but is an ice wall that goes round the circumference of the World that encloses us in a flat earth. Well that seems feasonable enough (could be, might not be) as we Joe Public do not know that much about the Antarctic except for a few bases down there, and that we are not allowed to visit. Tourism is very limited and controlled. Do you want to go? well most would say no. its not on my bucket list, as its a fast way to die with cold.
The flat earth theory of going (or not going) over the horizon on a boat seems good, with counter arguments, Their calculation of the earth is flatter than we think going by the furthest distance we can see using powerful binoculars seems good, as the target should be over the horizon considering curvature of the earth, with counter arguments. Also airplane flights are weird with very few aeroplanes having a direct crossing via the southern oceans from Europe or Africa to South America, which if it was a flat earth layout of continents would make sense. (Still questionable though).
My main doubt about a flat earth is the firmament (the heavens above) as if we are in a flat earth with a half globe atmosphere , what is above that? what is below the Earth, once you dig down? it seems just as crazy as a never ending expanding universe, which is what a round Earth sits in.
Once you go down the rabbit hole of questioning what the Earth are we standing on, it opens up not just what is the shape of the earth, round, flat, banana or pear shaped, or even a flat earth sitting on the back of four enormous elephants with a giant turtle swimming through space? but it also questions religion, philosophy, why are we here, etc, as if we are on a flat earth with enclosed boundaries then we are effectively in a prison planet, whereas a round ball allows us a future to expand into space.
It's all just too many questions to answer, but mark my words, there are those privileged few somewhere on this planet, be it religious temples or the Vatican or secret societies, that do know the answers to much of the above. I wish I knew those answers as well.
In the meantime just keep hanging on to this little ball of mud, that we call Earth, that might not be a ball at all, and hope we keep going safely along on whatever we are standing on, Arrrgh!
You make some good points, it's just unfortunate that virtually every one of them are wrong.
The Earth is an oblate spheroid. We've known that for millenia
The gravitational field that adheres us to the planet is created by the millions of tonnes of molten metal spinning beneath our feet. You're right about the acceleration/momentum difference though.
Tourism to Antartica is strictly controlled because there's probably less than 100 people on the planet who are physically capable of traversing the landscape safely, that doesn't mean there aren't plenty who think they are. You only have to count the corpses on Everest to see how the bodies could stack up.
Giving any credence to the theories morons who believe in a flat eary his doing elementary science a disservice.
The best description of flat earthers is a group of people who have either a basic but catastrophic lack of comprehension of how large the earth actually is, or a bunch of trolls along for the ride. If you stand at the edge of the sea the furthest you can see is +/- 6 miles.
The biggest problem with the FE conspiracy is that it doesn't have a credible purpose. There's no reason for it, other than people want to think they've figured out something no-one else has, and are part of an elite group of people who are smarter than anyone else.
They're not really idiots, they're just very. very wrong.
"If you stand at the edge of the sea the furthest you can see is +/- 6 miles."
I live on the Isle of Wight, I see the English Channel every day, I have never seen France on the horizon. Not really surprising its over 19 miles at the nearest point. :)
The saddest bit about people who really do believe the Earth is flat, is you don't have to be a genius to actually calculate how round the Earth actually is. And yeah, stars, there is no model they can come up with that explains how the stars move.
I have this great old Penguin book called The Size of the Universe, which actually explains how you can measure how big the Earth is yourself! Any of us could do it!
Which is actually quite cool.
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Pete says....The biggest problem with the FE conspiracy is that it doesn't have a credible purpose. There's no reason for it.
I would agree with you that a flat Earth does not seem to make any sense at all, unless playing devils advocate that it is an artificial construct.
But....The smaller and lower sun and moon sizes and rotations above a flat earth within the half globe atmospheric boundary seems so complex to work (it is the achilles heel of the flat earth idea) it does not seem possible, and when asking flat earths what is that all about, they cannot come up with a decent answer.
Your right, the round-ish earth seems the logical way of it being created, even if my relatives in Australia, are standing upside down, and not falling off
Robee J Shepherd says...
"I live on the Isle of Wight, I see the English Channel every day, I have never seen France on the horizon. Not really surprising its over 19 miles at the nearest point. :)"True but then if you saw France from the Isle of Wight they'd only just about be coming up to the 1968 student riots.
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All this talk of creating the Earth and Universe, reminded me of one of the best CGI Si-fi short films ever made on a fictional 'Ancient alien race with technology that are almost like Gods' creation of the universe theory. it is very clever and visually spectacular to watch. It is in some foreign language but has subtitles.
Robee J Shepherd says...
"I live on the Isle of Wight, I see the English Channel every day, I have never seen France on the horizon. Not really surprising its over 19 miles at the nearest point. :)
I'm in Kent, and drive down the M20/A20 a lot. As you're approaching the Roundhill tunnel at Folkestone heading towards Dover, you can clearly see France on the horizon from the raised viaduct before the tunnel. However, if you stand on the beach at Folkestone and look in the same direction, you can't see France at all as it's below the horizon
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