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.....which is a very blunt statement made by our UK defence secretary Gavin Williamson in the last few hours, against Russia....
This recent poisoning of an ex- spy and daughter, and subsequently getting a policeman and civilians hurt as well, using a Nerve agent, has been a real eyeopener with regard of the Tory incumbents instantly branding Russia as the bad ones, and not waiting to find out the facts.
I do not like Corbyn the Labour leader but he is justifying caution in looking at this case and getting real answers before citing Russia as the criminals.
I personally do not want to see a cold war happen again or worse during my lifetime, and the facts are that at least ten countries have their hands on this russian made nerve gas, including the UK, (for the purpose of an anti-dote, supposedly)
It could be a case of a third party determined to create friction between the UK and Russia to create a cold war once more, or it could be Russia themselves, to strenghten Putins stance during their election year, and send fear to ex-spys, but we should have waited for some investigation first before shouting out Russia 'go away and shut up'.
The use of this nerve agent was the point of the message. How much does a bullet cost? a qiud maybe?
This was a much harder event to carry out. I think the message of this act was "if you spy against us, you will pay the price."
I don't believe this was someone else trying to stir trouble. Vladimir Putin couldn't care less that the world thinks it was him.
He's probably delighted
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I realise that Russia like to make a point, we only have to look at the radiation poisoning of the last spy, who took a month to die in agony, instead of an instant bullet.
But just think the UK Government are just rushing ahead with the one conclusion, without looking at all the facts, and not considering the consequences by leading us into darker times.
Im actually working in Salisbury at the minute and really unless you want to go to the restaurant or pub in question not a lot is affecting the general public, their is a staff member here who needs her passport to get to and from home because the press were hiring taxis to get to the homes of possible witnesses, loads of cops and police at the hotel and absolutely no interraction between them which surprises me.
Anyway, for me this is purely for Trumps benefit, if you help the Mueller investigation your next seems to be where this is headed, could be wrong but i don't see any reason to attack him in such an obvious, public and obviously russian way.
First facts coming though....nerve agent could have been delivered in powder form via the victims BMW cars ventilation ducts.....
This is one of those occasions where you just can't think of who else could have done it, or would have done it.
Perfect way to set up the Russians, if anybody else had a motive.
There's a conspiracy theory for you Bandi!
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Rob says.....There's a conspiracy theory for you Bandi!
Could be Rob. Could be.
Boris Johnson UK Secretary of State for Foreign and Commonwealth Affairs shouts out its the Russians, and should likely be blamed for everything, including 'the Beast from the East' weather
Also we have the Russian UN ambassador stating the nerve agent came from UK portadown lab, more or less insinuating that it is a false flag operation, as the victim is a perfect Russian target, to make us think who else but the Russians would want to kill him.
Another factor could be a third party wanting this situation of escalating tensions between UK and Russia.
After 911 which I totally believe was a false flag inside job (as many others do), and the manipulation of illegal wars for a decade and more afterwards because of it, I could believe anything is possible to manipulate the public attitude.
All this is just leading to dangerous situations. This is why I want to know the real facts first before accusing anyone, assuming that we ever get them.
The last thing I want to see is a return to a cold war situation or worse.
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