Page 4 of The MMR jab has not caused an increase in Autism.

I don`t think I`ve read it on here, but one of the common things people opposed to the HPV jab say is that it`s encouraging underage sex, yet I`ve never heard those people have that argument against the rubella booster that`s also given in Y8 when that`s solely to protect unborn babies.

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I agree 100% but why is there such obstinate refusal to allow single shots? The authorities blindly persist on their chosen course, the effect of which is to deny children the protection which would otherwise be available.

If parents want to give their child the single vaccines, then I think they should be allowed; but not on the NHS. The NHS already has a safe and efficient method of giving kids the vaccine so it doesn`t make sense to offer them singly.

I do admit that when fell on a nail last summer and went for a tetanus booster I was irrationally nervous about getting it because it was a triple vaccine including polio. I`ve had M.E. for nearly 14 years and got ill not long after my triple when I was in Y10, a girl 2 years ahead of me also got ill with M.E. (even more severely) after hers and her mum is adamant that she really was damaged by the polio vaccine (I put my case possibly down to continuing to drag myself to school while sick with a nasty virus rather than resting).

My sister has Asperger`s Syndrome but my mum had already noticed differences between her and me and other babies and toddlers well before her MMR: she hated being held, including being breastfed (but still was).




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I agree 100% but why is there such obstinate refusal to allow single shots? The authorities blindly persist on their chosen course, the effect of which is to deny children the protection which would otherwise be available
The NHS is run as a `cost effective company` (apparently!) - its s*** but thats the way it is. The triple jab was and is safe and being offered.
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Which leads to the question "How many of those children would have been vaccinated if single shots had not been denied?"
Most of them but not all of them (because of parental choices about no type of imms ever being given not because of protection failing)

You can research all imms and never want you or your child to have any of them due to side effects (all of which like the MMR are rare but potentially life threatening).

Edited to say - xfg, love the fact people are saying the HPV is encouraging underage sex.........wonder who found their `little darling` in a compromising position?! ;) :D

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The government`s objection to providing single shots is a monetary one, taking into consideration that the MMR is seen as as safe as the singles by the medical profession.

It takes 3 times the man power to deliver 3 separate shots as it does the MMR.

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The MMR jab is safer and better than separate jabs, that is a matter of scientific record. For those that aren`t sure the difference between science and hearsay, it`s really worth trying to understand why science is a better guide.

The government probably did a bad job of explaining the MMR vaccine, heck it does a bad job at explaining a lot of things. Newspapers and other media have done a terrible job at explaining it too, they have had and will always have their own agenda.

If you want to decide whether your kids should have it or not, talk to doctors, people who have spent a very large part of their life training and understanding the risks and the benefits.

It is completely natural for humans to decide based on incomplete or skewed evidence, it`s part of our nature and why we are so successful as a species. If a wild animal tries to eat you and you run away, it`s a pretty good survival instinct to decide that most wild animals are likely to eat you based on that one event.

That thinking however, unfortunately doesn`t work for a lot of things in our modern society.

It is also completely natural, if your kid suffers from autism, a condition which generally starts to show around the 1 year mark, to want to find a cause. The MMR jab is given about the 1 year mark too, so it stands to reason some parents might link one with the other.

However many years of research into autism has shown it is most likely a genetic cause, unrelated to diet, vaccines, and so on.

I think it is very smart to question everything governments say, and to want to do the best for your children. What is somewhat less smart is to let your fears steer you away from the best course of action, and I begin to see similarities with Jehovahs Witnesses who would rather let their children die (or let god save them) than agree to a blood transfusion.

This is very much a clash of belief systems. You choose to believe the MMR is not as good or dangerous, based on no evidence. I can assert that there are no planets in the universe made of cheese, however I can never completely prove this as I cannot visit and sample every single planet in the universe. However this doesn`t automatically mean there must be planets made of cheese, because I can`t prove otherwise.

Similarly, research can only show that MMR is safe, has certain side effects, and here are what they are. But don`t let the fact it cannot conclusively prove 100% without any tiny shadow of a doubt, that it isn`t dangerous in any way at all, sway you into believing this is any different from me not being able to prove planets cannot be made of cheese.

It is extremely unlikely MMR is unsafe, there is no evidence to suggest it is unsafe or causes autism. But don`t take it from me, or the government, talk to your local paediatrician as I`m sure they will happily explain it to you.

If you choose to make your decisions based on what somebody who is completely unqualified to understand the whole subject says, merely because they "feel" it did this or that, then you may as well start taking all your kids on a jumbo jet designed by a catholic priest purely on faith.


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If you choose to make your decisions based on what somebody who is completely unqualified to understand the whole subject says, merely because they "feel" it did this or that, then you may as well start taking all your kids on a jumbo jet designed by a catholic priest purely on faith.This Jumbo jet desined by a priest, could it have big parachutes buit into the fusalage, just in case faith is not enough :p

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It is also completely natural, if your kid suffers from autism, a condition which generally starts to show around the 1 year mark, to want to find a cause. The MMR jab is given about the 1 year mark too, so it stands to reason some parents might link one with the other.

Again, that completely ignores the fact that many people can point to the day the MMR was given as the point their child changed.
Seizures, then personality changes etc.etc.
Coincidence, you evidently believe.
As I have said before, I couldn`t give a stuff what anyone thinks.
We sought out single jabs before, we`ll do it again.
I have zero faith in MMR or the people who support it.

Autism is caused during the development of the brain, it cannot happen one day suddenly. Go read about it!


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Go read about it!

No, because as I have repeatedly said, I really don`t care what you or anyone else says about MMR.
I will avoid it for my kids, simple as that.
Note I am avoiding MMR, not avoiding immunisation.
My kids, my money, my choice.
Go preach elsewhere.

Please also note I mentioned Seizures and personality changes, not Autism.

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Jeesss H Christ, That was some bump of six year  

I wonder how much those comedians in that video got paid to do that.

Hey, reading the thread again, I just realised I was a bit of a conspiracy buff back then, in those days. Can you believe it 

Anyway my children survived all those intervening years intact, thank god, and that's without the MMR jab. Good job we have the right of choice in this country.

But my next door neighbour, poor old guy,  got the flu jab (full of lovely things to protect us, they say) and got rushed to the hospital last week with, you guessed it,  nasty flu 

I keep getting my flu jab letter (you get them if you are over a certain age of manurity) , but just binned it as usual. Take my chances without. Thanks.

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